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the Christians are taking over!!!


I didn't know where to post this, thought this would be a good place. I don't know what to do about it. I'm angry, but not exactly sure why. It's another way of trying to win new Christians over, starting in our schools.

This whole Christians vs Pagans thing has been on my mind a lot and it's driving me nuts. Do Christians feel like it's their duty to annoy and scare the crap out of Pagans? Do they -REALLY- feel like they have to butt into other people's lives and tell them what to believe in?

If I wanted to do something similar but have it be in the name of another god/organization, I'd be burned at the stake before I step foot on school grounds.



ACLU-The lawsuit says youths are given the opportunity to divide into secular
and religious groups, but are encouraged to choose the religious option and
to enroll in a Bible-based follow-up program.

"I think SRT is really great because it gets people to know what God has to
say about sex. Before . . . I just thought that it was ok; I didn't even know
that it was wrong before you were married. " -Katie, 12

The "Silver Ring Thing" program encourages young people to make a covenant
with God to wait until marriage before having sex

Founder Dennis Pattyn says the program attempts to answer the main question
kids are contemplating today: If I make a decision like this -- to be
abstinent -- why be left alone and be considered "out of it" in my school?

"The way we have addressed that is to do our program in large numbers, with
many, many kids coming from the secular world as well as the Christian
world," Pattyn explains. "So we designed our program to reached 'un-churched'
kids in large numbers."

The ministry is hoping to further expand its influence across the country now
that it has received a $700,000 grant from the government. Pattyn says

SRT has created a 12-step follow-up plan.

TWELVE STEPS
SRT Bible - abstinence study Bible with support material specific to students.
The Bible is to be used for personal inspiration and is the basis of ongoing
group bible studies.

A Faith Decision - in accepting the ring, the student accepts the reason for
wearing it. The ring is worn because the student understands that God has a
plan for his or her life, and a plan for his or her sexuality. When the
decision is faith based, the student knows that they are never alone.

A Youth Group - Every student who attends an SRT event is invited to become
active in a local youth group.

One-on-One With a Youth Leader - SRT encourages the student to establish a
one-on-one relationship with an appropriate youth leader.

The mission is to saturate the United States with a generation of young people
who have taken a vow of sexual abstinence until marriage and put on the
silver ring. This mission can only be achieved by offering a personal
relationship with Jesus Christ as the best way to live a sexually pure
life."1 During the pledging ceremony, participants have the opportunity to
make a covenant with God regarding their decision to remain abstinent.

The John Guest Evangelistic Team, the parent organization responsible for SRT,
works domestically "...to communicate the message of Jesus Christ to the
unchurched through creative, media-based and one-onone evangelism."2

The establishment clause of the First Amendment in the U.S. Constitution
prohibits programs from using federal funds to promote specific religious
beliefs. Nonetheless, the Silver Ring Thing receives significant funding from
the U.S. government, totaling $1.1 million over the past two years.3 Still,
SRT continues to deliver an explicitly religious message. Silver Ring Thing
founder Dennis Pattyn told the Agape Press, "The enemy certainly is out there
wanting to destroy the work--and sometimes the enemy is actually the church
itself, unbelievably--but we're having to be much more careful about how we
operate. We don't ever want to take the gospel [out] of our message because
we believe the power for abstinence is a changed heart, not a ring on a
finger." Pattyn estimates that 20 percent of participants who receive the
silver ring also choose to "give their lives over to Christ."

There is no evidence that The Silver Ring Thing or similar
abstinence-only-until-marriage programs reduce rates of unintended pregnancy
or sexually transmitted diseases. In fact, virginity pledges are undermining
the use of contraception and disease-prevention methods among teens,
potentially exposing them to greater harm. Researchers found that under
limited circumstances virginity pledges helped young people delay the onset
of sexual intercourse for an average of 18 months (a goal still far short of
the average age of marriage). However, the study also found that those young
people who took a pledge were one-third less likely to use contraception when
they did become sexually active than their peers who had not pledged.10 The
same researchers have further concluded that young people who take virginity
pledges have the same rates of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) as young
people who do not pledge abstinence.11 Their data also shows that in
communities where there are too many pledgers (over 20%), overall STD rates
were significantly higher than in other settings.

The programs are expanding at an alarming rate and it is important that both
program providers and policy professionals remember that these types of
programs offer marriage as the exclusive method of preventing unintended
pregnancy and STD infection, as well as the only morally correct choice. "The
evidence domestically shows that these types of programs may be harmful to
young people's ability to make healthy decisions about their own sexuality.
Now these unproven programs are being exported world wide, supported by the
Bush Administration's President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief," said
William Smith, director of public policy for SIECUS. He continued, "We cannot
fight HIV/AIDS with either condoms or abstinence. This is not a one or the
other situation. This is about providing all people with the comprehensive
sexual health information, services, technologies, and skills they need to
prevent the transmission of HIV."

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Great...just one more way to try to take responsibility away from parents and try to recruit in the process.

Shoot me now.

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yeah we should be albe to have study groups etc as well..


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ug, this is crazy

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There are those who place themselves foremost among the Christians, but who are more properly called "Pseudochristian Dominionists."  There are several reasons for this. 

First of all, they are "pseudochristians" because they base their belief and practice almost solely on the rigid, judgmental teachings of the Old Testament, rather than on the liberal, loving teachings of the Jesus they profess to follow. 

They are "dominionists" because it is their professed intention to take over and rule every aspect of society, creating a theocracy as they believe is their right and duty. 

Don't underestimate these people.  They are real, they are serious, they are determined, and they are very, very dangerous. They've been working towards these goals for quite some time now and with the current administration in place, they have become emboldened.

But don't call them "Christians."  They are not.  They are "Pseudochristian Dominionists."

If you haven't read The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood, I strongly encourage you to do so.  It gives a clear and nightmarish insight into the sort of society these people would love to establish.  Another excellent study is Starhawk's The Fifth Sacred Thing, which (I think) ought to be required reading for all Pagans.  The latter is one of my personal "holy books."

For more information and insight into the frightening Dominionist movement, see: 

__TheocracyWatch__

__The Christian Mafia__

__Dominionism in America__

__The Crusaders__

__WikipediaDominionist__


These people are not tolerant or loving or kind.  These are not our friends.  Be warned and fight their influence every chance you get.


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i have heard people say that children shouldnt be forced into paganism, and of course i agree with that 100%      but  that`s  what the christians do with their kids, if a child has no knowledge of pagan beliefs how is she to make up her mind as to what she/he wants to follow? i do not force my beliefs upon my little girl but she is aware of what i do and finds various aspects of my beliefs interesting if she asks questions i answer, and the same goes for any of her little friends if they ask i tell them, any parents who can`t deal with that  situation dont send their kids here.Paganism is as valid a path as any to follow, and i cant see why we dont have study groups for older kids who want to have an idea of what we`re about.

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Oh, this is not the first or the last of such groups they are trying to push into schools. Florida now has a "Xian based" program called "All Pro Dad" which they claim is only to get dads more involved in the children and school, yet there is a little quiz kids can take to rate their dad. Here's a little example since the question basically asks a kid what their dad's view on God is (and there is no "My dad doesn't believe in the Xian God" answer):

Question:

Does your family pray and worship together?
My Dad never talks about God.
Sometimes my Dad talks about faith, but I don’t think it means very much to him.
My Dad loves God, but he doesn’t pray as much as he needs to.
My Dad loves God very much and is very excited about his faith and shares it with our family.


Answer: (if you choose option #1)

PRAY AND WORSHIP TOGETHER

Your child believes that you don’t care much about the Almighty because you never talk to him about God. Having faith and sharing it is important because your children need absolutes of right and wrong. Not sharing God’s message of love leaves your kids at the whims of society to determine good and evil. And that is very dangerous. Make sure prayer, Scripture reading and house of worship attendance are an integral part of your life – because it’s an integral part of being a good dad.


This just bugs me, and I sent them a rather rude email regarding this question. I got some sort of reply but deleted it before I read it. (I was still angry, lol )

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MM, Dana!  I think you're doing exactly the right thing with your daughter and her friends by just being who you are and answering questions openly.  If only all others did the same, this world would be a better place.  Too many religions -- even "mainstream" ones -- are cultish, though, relying on threats and fear of "hell" to brainwash their members into submission and exclusivity. 

I remember as a girl being told that it was a sin to enter any church but my own (Catholic), that I had to "bless" (cross) myself even when passing a non-Catholic church to avoid being tainted, and that it would be sinful even to be a candystriper volunteer at the local hospital because they were part of the YWCA, a Protestant organization.  Thankfully, I grew up and started thinking for myself!

The Dalai Lama had some very wise words that are quite pertinent here: 

"I always believe that it is much better to have a variety of religions, a variety of philosophies, rather than one single religion or philosophy.  This is necessary because of the different mental dispositions of each human being.  Each religion has certain unique ideas or techniques, and learning about them can only enrich one's own faith."

That's one reason I love this site -- because of it's eclectic nature and free discussion!




-- Edited by Silverweb at 15:18, 2005-07-13

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Heidi, are these quizzes given to the kids to take home or are they sprung on the kids on the spot?  I'd be absolutely livid if my child was subjected to such a thing!

Government sponsorship of such programs is intrusive and absolutely unforgivable.



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I don't know if they have them do it in the schools or what...but that's a quiz on their website. There is one for dads to do to grade themselves, and one for their kids to grade them.

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I checked their website and read both quizzes, and I think they're horribly intrusive and offensive -- especially when you read the rest of the site and see how they're hiding their intensely evangelical/fundamentalist orientation in the beginning!  And the governor of Florida is pushing this program on the public school system?  I sure hope the ACLU jumps all over this -- it seems to me to be blatantly unconstitutional!

Btw, Heidi, the new background is gorgeous!


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